Training Evolution: A Fitness Roundtable with Industry Veterans

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Training Evolution: A Fitness Roundtable with Industry Veterans

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In this roundtable discussion, fitness experts Jeremy Meyer, Jay Horley, and Pete Fisher share insights on how their training approaches have evolved over the years, what works for their clients, and the science behind effective training protocols for busy executives.

JEREMY'S AEROBIC STATION

How Has Your Training Evolved over the years?

JEREMY MEYER: “My gym training hasn’t changed that much over the years. However, I’m doing more cardiovascular work now, more conditioning type work. At 50 years old, I’m getting more value from trending work like zone two training. I do about four to five hours a week of aerobic work, partly because I enjoy the psychological benefits—I’m prone to anxiety, and it helps regulate my mood.

I’ve invested in a bike for my bedroom with a smart trainer and a cycling desk so I can work or listen to podcasts while riding. This setup allows me to do about four to six hours a week of primarily aerobic work. I still dedicate about four hours weekly to strength training to maintain muscle mass and a reasonable body fat percentage.

The biggest change is that I’m doing less running now. At 103 kilograms, running more than two or three times a week causes significant joint pain—I’m showing early signs of arthritis. Cycling is non-impact, so I can do it for several hours weekly without the same discomfort.”

JAY HORLEY: “For me, there are continual tweaks to find what aligns with my goals, which can be a moving target. Currently, I do Jiu Jitsu five days a week. Outside of that, my split is three days of lifting—about 50% focused on mobility—and two days of aerobic work.

Over the last decade, I’ve been interested in self-experimentation: I’ve done the Big Three lifts, bodybuilding-focused work, gymnastics, and bodyweight training. I’ve come full circle to a system of one day upper body, one day lower body, and one day total body, with a couple of aerobic days mixed between.

My goal is simply to improve aerobic fitness on aerobic days and gradually get stronger on weightlifting days. What I find most enjoyable now is making small, incremental gains without major regressions in other aspects of fitness. 

“I do five days of strength and conditioning work, and I’ve been inspired by Jeremy to incorporate zone two work—often by going for an hour-long run and chat with someone from the gym.”

PETE FISHER: “I think there’s a common thread here—we’re all approaching training with what I’d call an ‘athlete mindset,’ filling different buckets rather than putting all our eggs in one basket like bodybuilding, hypertrophy, or pure strength.

It’s more scientifically sound, first-principles thinking: what’s the minimum work needed to maintain a certain capacity without decline? What can you get away with as a stimulus that keeps you moving forward while staying interested, but doesn’t wear you down?

For example, I started sprinting two or three times a week, then developed achilles tendon issues and plantar fasciitis. At 41, I realized I needed to scale back to maybe once a week or just incorporate some exposure to explosive contractions through lower body tissue without frequent sprinting.

“Zone two aerobic work is probably the biggest trend that’s entered the general fitness world recently—I think CrossFit legitimized having a big engine, and things like Hyrox have popularized it- an accessible sport with low skill barriers, essentially getting people back into running and improving their 10K times.”

For me, there’s a compromise—if I run too much, my hips seize up and I get plantar fasciitis. I can run fast once a week, but for zone two work, I’ll use a bike or throw on a weighted backpack when walking my dogs. My training is currently aimed at being able to play touch rugby, which covers a lot of bases because it’s so broad—it has an aerobic component but also requires dynamic, explosive contractions.”

Training the Executive Client: Efficient Workout Programming

PETE: “Jeremy, for your executive athletes, how would you construct a training week for a typical client with limited time? What would be your priorities if they only had three hours to train?”

JEREMY: “It would obviously be client-dependent, but I have a few executive clients now who are quite deconditioned and overweight. We’ve agreed they’ll come in for four strength training sessions per week, and we’ve put them on a low calorie diet because the primary goal is weight loss—they’re on a 30-40% deficit, losing about one to two kilograms weekly.

They do zone two work independently. In Singapore, we have the luxury of having gyms in apartment complexes. They do aerobic work on low-impact equipment, keeping their heart rate at about 60-75% of their estimated maximum for at least 30 minutes, now up to one hour, four days per week.

These executives get up early, get on a bike or treadmill for 45-60 minutes, send me a screenshot, go to work, eat a healthy meal, and then I see them at lunchtime. In the gym, we focus exclusively on strength training with the goal of building muscle. I don’t need to oversee their zone two sessions—I coach them for strength training and provide nutritional guidance.”

PETE: “So if they’re coming in three times a week, you’re taking care of the big rocks. The focus on strength training serves multiple purposes: building and retaining muscle mass, working through full range of motion at all joints, essentially incorporating weighted stretching to improve mobility as a byproduct of proper strength training.

We’re not looking to create a metabolic disturbance in the gym necessarily—we’re relying on diet for fat loss and additional zone two training to help. The zone two work isn’t just for weight loss; we’re chasing a longevity adaptation in the aerobic system, upgrading mitochondria, and helping clients feel better overall.

The more someone commits to zone two early on, the harder we can work them in the gym later, creating a more significant metabolic response. This means we can fuel them more aggressively around their training once they’ve lost initial weight.”

JEREMY: “Exactly. One client came in with a resting heart rate of 90 beats per minute, and after six weeks of four hours of zone two work weekly, it’s down to 65.

For deconditioned clients, I don’t want to create too much metabolic stress in the gym—the goal is to increase muscle mass, strength, and mobility through proper training.”

PETE: “I think one of the biggest missteps in our industry was the idea of peripheral heart action training as the entry point for all clients—alternating upper body and lower body exercises, like the classic Poliquin German Body Composition training. We ignored the context that Charles was typically working with athletic, younger populations.

Applying that glycolytic energy system-based training to someone without a deep aerobic foundation means they’re exhausted after just a few sets of even simple exercises like split squats and lat pulldowns. You can bypass that struggle with sensible zone two aerobic work in the early stages.

 

How do you persuade clients to actually do the zone two work? How do you sell it to them?

JEREMY: “We talk about the longevity benefits. These executives are in their 40s and 50s, so they value longevity. We discuss the downsides of high BMI and body fat percentage, and explain that the most effective way to lose weight is through a caloric deficit, which can be enhanced by zone two work. They’re not just burning calories; they’re improving their cardiovascular system.

We measure resting heart rate daily, so they see the improvement—that’s positive feedback. I send them podcasts and resources to convince them to do more. Initially, some are skeptical, but within a week, they’re often hooked.”

PETE: “I think you’re right. For me, the most powerful thing while doing zone two work is listening to a podcast that explains the benefits—you create a positive echo chamber, flooding your subconscious with reinforcement while actually doing the activity.”

JEREMY: “These executives often work from home, so they can listen to news or take meetings while doing zone two work. It’s not wasting time—they’re killing two birds with one stone.”

PETE: “That’s an interesting contrast with gym training, which requires intentional focus on what you’re doing when lifting weights—you need concentration to ensure you’re maximizing that time. Zone two is different—we should put together a resource of ideal pairings, like what work-related activities can be effectively combined with different types of exercise.

Most people who successfully implement these protocols are already layering tasks—they’re on calls, catching up on news, or listening to podcasts while doing low-intensity work. They’re combining a professional growth task with a longevity-related task, getting two things done that might otherwise be neglected.

Zone 2 + Productivity: Smart Pairings for Busy Professionals

As a personal training coach who works with executives and busy professionals, I’ve found that combining Zone 2 cardio with productive activities is key to consistency. Here are practical recommendations that actually work:

1. Professional Development Pairings

  • Audiobooks + Stationary Bike: Use a stationary bike with a tablet holder to listen to industry-specific audiobooks at 1.25-1.5x speed.
  • Podcasts + Walking: Listen to educational podcasts during outdoor walks or treadmill sessions at 3.0-3.5 mph.
  • Language Learning + Elliptical: Audio-based language programs work well during steady-state elliptical sessions. Minimal coordination required.

2. Work Pairings

  • Walking Meetings + Outdoors: Take 1-on-1 calls while walking. Movement improves conversation flow and creative thinking.
  • Email Processing + Recumbent Bike: Handle non-urgent emails or simple tasks on a recumbent bike which provides stability.
  • Planning/Strategy + Steady-State Cardio: Use uninterrupted cardio time for mental planning and problem-solving—keep a voice recorder handy for capturing ideas.

3. Content Consumption Pairings

  • Industry Reading + Exercise Bike: Many bikes accommodate tablets for reading articles, reports or industry news.
  • News Digests + Rowing Machine: Low-intensity rowing pairs well with catching up on daily news summaries.
  • Video Content + Treadmill: Walking at 2.5-3.0 mph is ideal for watching webinars, tutorials or conference recordings.

4. Practical Tips

  • Time Block: Schedule these sessions in your calendar with specific content planned
  • Prepare in Advance: Queue up content before starting to avoid wasting time during the session
  • Proper Setup: Invest in proper device holders for your preferred cardio equipment
  • Tech Considerations: Use wireless earbuds and keep devices charged
  • Stay in Zone 2: Monitor heart rate (60-75% of max) to ensure you’re getting cardio benefits

What’s the minimal effective dose of zone two work you recommend to clients?

JEREMY: “According to research and experts like Iñigo San Millán, who coached Tadej Pogačar and popularized zone two training, you need at least three hours per week—that’s the minimum dosage for significant benefits. Ideally, you want fewer, longer sessions rather than many short ones, but accumulating 180 minutes weekly is the key threshold.”

PETE: “Three hours or 180 minutes might sound daunting for beginners, but for your clients at 110-115 kilos, the intensity required is quite minimal. You could do two hours on a treadmill or bike, perhaps while taking meetings, and then simply walking after dinner would contribute to that zone two work. Even if your heart rate isn’t at 130, but more like 115-118, especially outdoors in Singapore’s heat, you’re still getting benefits.”

JEREMY: “Absolutely right. Initially, for a deconditioned client, just going for a walk puts them in zone two, so it’s relatively easy to accumulate that time. I have them start with at least 20 minutes per session, beginning with 60 minutes weekly, then increasing by 15-20% each week—not increasing intensity, just the volume of training minutes.”

The Minimum Effective Dose for Gym Work: Quality Over Quantity

PETE: “Many clients come to us trying to mimic influencers or bodybuilding routines, thinking they need five days a week in the gym. I’ve rarely encountered a client who actually needs that much gym work to achieve their goals. For most clients, three full-body sessions per week is sufficient.

There’s plenty of scope to experiment with different setups to keep it fresh, but it doesn’t need to be more than that. Even Dorian Yates said if you’re a natural athlete training hard, you can’t effectively train more than three times a week. Only assisted bodybuilders can handle five or six days weekly.

For a 45-year-old executive, three days a week hits all the bases—you get the frequency, exposure, and enough volume. Most don’t have advanced physique goals requiring adding inches to specific muscle groups. Three hours in the gym per week is sufficient, and then they can scale up their efforts outside the gym.

Do you ever have to tell clients to pull back on training if they’re overdoing it?”

JEREMY: “I don’t have clients who overdo strength training, but from my experience, more volume doesn’t yield proportional benefits. If I do a 90-minute session versus 50 minutes, it drains me more and causes more muscle soreness, but I don’t get extra results in terms of strength or muscle gains. Three hours of properly structured strength training per week is enough to get the benefits.”

PETE: “There was initially research from Brad Schoenfeld’s camp suggesting three drivers of hypertrophy: mechanical tension, metabolic stress, and muscle damage. Later research revised this, concluding that mechanical tension is the primary driver, and muscle damage isn’t a mechanism in its own right but comes along when you apply enough tension.

However, excessive volume digs a hole that you must recover from before building new tissue—you’re busy healing and replacing damaged tissue. I’ve found that the minimum effective dose approach, though initially frightening because it feels like being lazy, is remarkably efficient. Going to the gym and doing just six work sets before leaving can yield impressive progress.

For example, doing one set of dumbbell bench press with as many reps as possible, then trying to add a rep each workout until reaching a target, then increasing weight and starting over—the progress from such a simple system with 20-30 minute workouts is incredible.

For beginners, there’s value in doing more sets to learn movements properly, perhaps three or four warm-up sets followed by one or two challenging sets pushing to failure. But looking back, I wish I could reclaim hours of pointless volume in the gym and reallocate that time to conditioning or literally anything else.”

JAY: “It’s good learning though. When I explain to coaches how I’ve made progress on low volume, I have to acknowledge that knowing exactly where your volume and intensity limits are comes with experience. People training three or four days a week might compensate for not approaching the appropriate intensity threshold by adding more volume.

A good experiment I did once was asking: if you only had one working set per exercise, how much would you commit to that one set? This helps you discover how hard you can actually train in a single set. Many people, especially in commercial gyms, do a lot of volume within their comfort zone—they’re taking a zone two approach to resistance training, but a resistance training approach to their cardio by doing sprints.

I see young trainers in the gym five days a week, but the biggest hindrance is recovery—whether it’s sleep, diet, or insufficient aerobic conditioning. They’d be better using that extra time to address those factors rather than adding another day of training.

What we’ve earned through experience is knowing which exercises give the most bang for your buck—carrying the most tonnage and stimulation—which many beginners haven’t figured out yet. We also recover quickly between sets because we’re aerobically fit.”

PETE: “That’s a great point about exercise selection. Many fitness-minded clients overvalue performance in key lifts like bench press, deadlift, and squats, thinking those are the answer to their goals. But personally, if I were to follow a powerlifting program, I’d break down within a week—my deadlift is weak, my back squat isn’t great, and my bench press is just okay.

The thing is, I don’t need to do any of those lifts in the traditional powerlifting way. For lower body, I prioritize single-leg work and heavy split squats, particularly front-loaded split squats, because that setup keeps my lower back and hips healthy while still allowing heavy loading. I rarely do conventional deadlifts anymore—I’ll do Romanian deadlifts and go heavy on those, but not deadlifts from the floor.

It’s about finding what works for your body and goals, rather than forcing yourself into a training template that might not be appropriate for you.”

Key Takeaways for Busy Professionals:

  1. Zone 2 Training: Aim for at least 3 hours per week of low-intensity cardio (60-75% of max heart rate) for cardiovascular health and longevity benefits.
  2. Strength Training: Three full-body sessions per week is sufficient for most clients, focusing on quality over quantity.
  3. Exercise Selection: Choose exercises that work best for your body rather than focusing on traditional “big lifts” that may cause injury.
  4. Efficiency Hacks: Combine zone 2 cardio with productive activities like taking calls, listening to podcasts, or catching up on news.
  5. Recovery Focus: Better results often come from improving recovery (sleep, nutrition) rather than adding more training sessions.

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